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Thursday, September 11, 2003

Recently I went to a conservative website named freerepublic.com . Since I believe in the art of "Monkey Wrenching" (God Bless Edward Abbey), I obtained a username and password and entered the creepy, Fascist jungle of Conservative dunderheads and Christian freaks. The topic of Judge Moore and his Ten Commandments snit-fit caught my eye. Most "Freepers" (as they call themselves) believed Moore was a Man of God and speaking to a nation lost in immorality. A few logical souls actually said Moore was confusing his legal obligation with his moral beliefs. Fair enough. So I opined to a Poster who commended Dr. James Dobson for supporting Moore and for "coming from a moral highground". I couldn't resist.

The following is my statment and the responses I received within minutes of the posting. The Responses are to me, Skepticat, with their Usernames evident


James Dobson is a hypocrit and a blasphemer. He claims to be a Christian (granted there are many forms) who wishes to keep the Ten Commandments in a courthouse. I would suggest that he read the Commandments and pay close attention to the one that reads "Thou Shall not kill." Dobson and his Focus on the Family decry social ills and immorality, yet support the death penalty. Is this not murder? Every major religion in the Western World apply Christ's teachings and oppose the death penalty. Also, Dr. Dobson is a supporter of the War On Iraq. Again, blasphemes God to pretend to know his desire, while disregarding the Commandment of murder, whether it is legally sanctioned or not.

Dobson and his Focus on the Family decry social ills and immorality, yet support the death penalty. Is this not murder?
Maybe it is in your glossary, but not in Dobson's. That may make him disagree with you, but does nothing to make him a hypocrite.

The same God who said "Thou shalt not 'kill'" also enjoined the death penalty on a number of crimes. The simplest explanation for this is that the word "kill" meant something like our word "murder" and that implies there are legitimate killings and illegitimate killings.



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Dr. James Dobson: "We're Not Going To The Back of The Bus"

Posted by tame to Skepticat
On News/Activism 08/28/2003 11:13 AM PDT #45 of 188

I have a feeling you are going to be history. DU alert!

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Dr. James Dobson: "We're Not Going To The Back of The Bus"

Posted by HitmanNY to Skepticat
On News/Activism 08/28/2003 11:10 AM PDT #38 of 188

I would suggest that he read the Commandments and pay close attention to the one that reads "Thou Shall not kill." Dobson and his Focus on the Family decry social ills and immorality, yet support the death penalty. Is this not murder? Every major religion in the Western World apply Christ's teachings and oppose the death penalty.
You use 'kill(ing)' and 'murder' interchangably in your post, which leads you to the wrong conclusions.

Actually, the best translation of the commandment is not 'Thou shall Not Kill,' but rather, 'Though shall not murder.' Murder is a legal word, but kill/killing is not. All murders are killings, but not all killings are murders. Hebrew law distingusined between the two, as does the law of the land in the USA and worldwide.

Killing someone in self defense is not murder, in the USA or in other western nations. It's unclear why you would use the words interchangably and think it would be.

Indeed, the OT (the source of the 10 commandments in the Judeo-Christian tradition) endorses the Death Penalty for some crimes and as best as I know, Christ never suggested otherwise. The death penalty was a fact of life for teh ancient romans, in hebrew law, and indeed, in most of the world until relatively recently.

The death penalty is not legally murder, and has never been. It is certainly a killing, but not murder.

The 10 Commandments do not stand as any kind of bar for a society to sanction the penalty of death of a certain class of crime. Why would you think otherwise?



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Dr. James Dobson: "We're Not Going To The Back of The Bus"

Posted by DeweyCA to Skepticat
On News/Activism 08/28/2003 11:08 AM PDT #36 of 188

Please know your facts before you make statements which make you look like a fool. The correct rendition of that commandment is "Thou shall not murder", NOT "Thou shall not kill". There is a difference. One is an established state entity killing people who are guilty of murder. The other is when a person murders an innocent person. Since you apparently do not know the Bible, you may want to refrain from speaking authoritatively on it in the future.

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Dr. James Dobson: "We're Not Going To The Back of The Bus"

Posted by troublesome creek to Skepticat
On News/Activism 08/28/2003 11:05 AM PDT #28 of 188

What a uninformed screed that was!

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Dr. James Dobson: "We're Not Going To The Back of The Bus"

Posted by Happy2BMe to Skepticat
On News/Activism 08/28/2003 11:05 AM PDT #27 of 188

"Dobson and his Focus on the Family decry social ills and immorality, yet support the death penalty."
The Law is given to protect innocent people from criminals (such as murderers and thieves).

The Law also reads: "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."

That is explicitly meaning that if you kill someone, under the law the punishment is equal to the crime - DEATH.

James Dobson didn't write that, nor is he the author of it.

Try again.



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Dr. James Dobson: "We're Not Going To The Back of The Bus"

Posted by Gritty to Skepticat
On News/Activism 08/28/2003 11:03 AM PDT #26 of 188


Skepticat
Since Aug 28, 2003
You wouldn't be a troll, would you?



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Dr. James Dobson: "We're Not Going To The Back of The Bus"

Posted by tame to Skepticat
On News/Activism 08/28/2003 11:01 AM PDT #20 of 188

I have a feeling you are going to be history. DU alert!

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Dr. James Dobson: "We're Not Going To The Back of The Bus"

Posted by journey7873 to Skepticat
On News/Activism 08/28/2003 10:57 AM PDT #19 of 188

The death penalty is not murder and neither is the war in Iraq.

The website revoked my access immediately. I guess they subscribe to the freedom of speech sanctioned by the Justice Department. I would encourage anyone to go to the website and get access. Proceed to infiltrate their nonsense with your own opinions. Sure you'll get booted immediately, but that is the fun of it. Try to be sneaky and make your statements ironic. Play games. If its one thing other than compassion that cons don't understand its irony. Good luck.

We must move on to greater things. So next I will take on the National Republican Congressional Committee, who weekly bombard me with faxes to join their organization. On a phone call, I informed one wide-eyed neo-con that I would find it difficult to join their organization, chaired by Tom DeLay, because I felt he was the embodiment of Satan. She told me he was only going to be the chari for two more years. What? Then its back to hell to burn more Texas democrats and change the district lines again.




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